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200,000 Vets Stripped of this Constitutional Right While Media Stays Silent

As of December 2015, more than 260,000 veterans have been stripped of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.

According to Guns.com,

Two Senate Republicans are seeking to understand the Veterans Affairs office practice of reporting veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system.

Currently a veteran assigned a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf is automatically declared “mentally defective” and is reported to NICS, the database Federal Firearms Licensees use to determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy guns. As of December 2015, the VA has reported 260,381 individuals to the FBI, effectively making them prohibited firearms possessors under the law.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA) of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee are seeking answers. The two have written a letter to VA Secretary Robert McDonald questioning the practice, saying,

The use of the VA regulation, adopted for a totally unrelated purpose, is suspect, especially in light of the Supreme Court holding that the Second Amendment is a fundamental right. That holding changed the legal calculus by which a regulatory scheme can survive constitutional scrutiny and it is not clear how these regulations would fare under that increased scrutiny.”

Grassley released an additional statement declaring that,

“Our military heroes risked their lives to protect and defend this country and all that we stand for, including our most basic constitutional rights. Now the very agency created to serve them is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

What do you think of the VA stripping this fundamental right from veterans without due process?

 


  • wolveyjanet

    This Is Flat Out Wrong! The VA Has To Stop Their Disgraceful Acts Against Our Veterans And Our Military!

    • ggarrett34

      Pres. Trump please fire them ALL!!

      • Byron Hall
      • SueT

        He want fire anyone because he’s the one who. Told them to do this.

        • SueT

          I mean Obama did it not Trump.

        • ggarrett34

          I think that You mean our dumbo pres obummer

  • Patriot47

    skippy fears vets more than anything else.

    • Catman lawrence

      He should we hate the commie basturd .

  • what i usually think of obama’s actions, traitorous. he should be impeached. but i am not worried for when the war comes their buddies will have an extra gun for them i am sure.

    • Catman lawrence

      I need a few buddies like that .

    • Lou

      This type of tyranny is the reason I have been buying as many firearms, magazines, and ammunition as I can afford. WHEN Hillary is elected, and it IS predetermined, she has already said she will go further than Obama has with Executive orders. Unfortunately, the so called Republicans will kiss her ass more than they have with Obama. I feel we are in deep trouble and out rights will continually be attacked.

  • Richard Bagenstose

    well i don’t get my rights from the government , anyone who even pays attention to the freaks running it are morons, i’m a vet , and i won’t go to the va or any other government agency, there all left wing lonatics

    • DollyT

      I wouldn’t let my cat or dog be treated at any VA facility. They are useless and need to be shut down
      the money used to support the VA should be used to pay for our Military to use Private facilities which they are supposed to already have but which the VA isn’t paying the doctors who have treated our vets.

      • Richard Bagenstose

        well if you were ever in the military , witch i was , 1 trip to the dentist was enough , i went on leave every time it came up , what a bunch of butchers , but then most doctors get there on the job training in the military, and they don’t care how much pain they inflict

        • DollyT

          My husband was a WWI, Korea, Vietnam Vet. I am very much familiar with the Military. The do know how to deliver babies. I had each one of my four children born in a different Navy Hospital. I have not complaint with the care we got through the Navvy but I would not let my husbnd go to a VA Hospital.

      • Robert4709

        I am so grateful that when I left the service I always had good jobs and good health insurance benefits and never needed the VA. I was there years ago to register as I was requested, that was my first and only time at the VA.

        • June

          That’s the way it should have been for all vets! Try filing a claim for injury due to service. Some Viet Nam vets are still waiting–seriously, I know a few.

          • jim

            They do their best to discourage any claims and the doctors that check you over are so bad its a shame, I know

    • Cdreeder

      Thank you for your service and may God bless you!

    • Jmanjo

      You got that right. Most of them should be fired for not adequately performing their jobs and some of them should be tried and locked up for crimes committed while performing their job functions. Our Congress needs to start taking steps to rein in the Executive Branch and impeach this bunch of fools in office!

  • Phyllis

    Take away the rights of the veterans who know how to use firearms when it comes to fighting an invading force, plus, take away the right of private citizens to own firearms? Sounds like the Nazi’s during WW2 or laying the groundwork for a successful jihadi takeover through our borders via Mexico, Canada and within by refugees from Syrua and other unknown places. The founding fathers had the first Continental Congress. we have the first Traitorous Congress. The founding fathers had the first military oriented President who took nothing from the people. We have a Sniviling Coward who surrounds himself with armed guards and takes everything from the people

    • jim

      These assholes need to be eliminated
      , they want to see this country die

  • Burton Pauly

    How else are the bureaucrats, and the present administration going to trample on the rights of our vets. who’ve fought to keep all of our rights as free men? This action must be stopped and those whose 2nd. amendment rights have been denied should be restored… This is just another way that gun haters have sought to undermine our rights to life , liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..

    • James Andrews

      I bet some of the vets will just get arms via the underground market. When Big Bother passes unconstiutional, illegal law, these laws must be ignored, “broken” and resisted! When Big Brother turns to tyranny, which this is and there is no doubt about that, then resistance become duty.

    • dhmill

      They do not hate guns. They love guns in their hands. Just not in the public citizen hands.

    • jim

      This country is going to end up in another bloody civil war all its going to take is one shot to start it and it will bad, these bleeding heart libs need their heads checked before this all gets out of control.

  • Timothy

    And you want same people to run this country vote them out time for change voteTrump 16

  • DollyT

    This is a farce. This is a bipartisan Issue….Where is the legislative outrage????? This is why we desperately need Donald J. Trump and we need to get ride of the Do Nothings in both Parties!

  • Robert4709

    This is a travesty, how this can happen in America is beyond incomprehensible. When crimials and Islamic Terrorists can freely roam the streets of America and veterans Second Amendment Rights are not only violated but shredded I don’t understand. Is it any wonder that Donald Trump is so popular? I have written to my two senators and congressman several times. This is disgraceful. This can not stand. Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

    • Phyllis

      I am curious, did you get a decent response or a form letter? If everyone that is unhappy would write a letter and state plainly that if they continue to support actively the Obama traitorous agenda, that you in turn will work actively to see that they are not reelected and that you are watching their voting record and will have it published in your local newspaper. Also, Fox is having Obama on their show on Sunday, don’t watch it and write and tell them you won’t be watching any of their shows if their bias keeps up. When did you ever see a president actively campaign against someone when the president wasn’t running for office. This man(Obama) is afraid of Trump. He knows Trump can reverse all he has done to destroy this country.

      • Robert4709

        I’m sorry for the late response ma’am. I received three responses. I am a near lifetime resident of IL, so I can tell you Sen. Kirk and my Rep. Roskam sent me individualized responses. From Sen. Dick Durbin I received a form letter that barely scratched the surface of my requests. That’s pretty normal for Sen Durbin. I already have put the info out on my Twitter account to boycott FoxLies on Sunday. I’m sure the questions will be pre-selected, pre-screned as were Obama’s last vial attempt at the televised charade for representatives of gun rights when Obama misrepresented the truth so much.

        • jim

          Sen Durbin is a total ass hole and commie for that matter so Sen Kirk

  • Steamer

    The same traitor that is pretending to be “Commander in Chief” has been treating our service men like illegal aliens and our ISIS “refugees” better than citizens. The media has the same liberal agenda as the aforementioned traitor so none of this is a surprise. Their goal of 1 world 1 government would not be served buy allowing our loyal American veterans to have easy access to weapons. Obama and his traitorous crew should be tried and convicted of their crimes and since this is war time they should be punished accordingly! Thanks to all our veterans for your service, and I hope we can elect a president that will better serve all of us!

    • Craigmm

      Actually most illegal invaders get better treatment than those who have defended this once great country far too often. Those idiots in Congress fell no obligation to vets for some reason. At some point in time congress and that POS Commander and Chief, they too will realize a country without an adequate military that chooses to not defend that same country’s borders is a no longer a country.

      • Steamer

        You are absolutely right! I think ruining the United States is their goal! Our service men, service women, and our veterans deserve better and we as citizens do too!

  • GTElmore

    The “big piano in the sky” ought to fall directly on any bureaucrat responsible for such a deal.

  • Robert Wolfe

    Don’t blame the VA, blame the POS POTUS domestic enemy of the constitution who “ordered” it. This time he didn’t try to change the law, like he did with amnesty for illegals, he just issued some administrative directives, also known as “unlawful orders”. Don’t worry, the whole idea will be a gone thought ere long, no matter which puppet is put on the supreme court.

  • Catman lawrence

    This is just another way the socialist left is taking over . I am a Vietnam Era Veteran and see a VA Psychiatrist for depression and meds to sleep and I am positive I was put on the list . Anyone that needs help should go to a civilian doctor first but they may be required to report it also , so you are screwed either way . I have always had to choose the words I said carefully because the Doctor always said they had to report certain things to the authorities . You have to be careful and say that is how I feel not what I will or would do .

  • Town Crier

    WHY does Obama want to disarm vets? The ONLY reason is because vets KNOW how to use firearms and do it ACCURATELY! No DICTATOR wants firearms in the hands of experienced marksmen (and women) – such a dictator fears for their life – with good reason!

  • drwbbr

    Anti-American tyrannical leadership!

    • game50

      drwbbr: Remember the POS in Our W.H. said we would lead from behind…why do you thing he bend forward a lot?

      • drwbbr

        He has done just about everything he can get away with to destroy our Republic, most of his Anti-America acts supported by the Media. He has led us towards
        not one thing that was to the benefit of our country. He has inspired shame on a country that we used to be proud of!!

  • a flag waving AMERICAN mike

    The CONSTIUTION also gives us the right to change the GOV.when it no longer works the way it should I don’t know when or why it did but it has I think it is time for a change,I went to war for my country but what we have now is not my country,I don’t know what we have but I know it is time for a change GOD help us mike

  • joebabe

    In my 80+ years,I have never seen the USA so racially and politically divided. Obies’s hope was to destroy the #1 superpower and change the demographics and subsequently,the voting process. SCORE 100%on both counts. …..no longer a superpower, military weakened with non-combative leadership, no border control,citizenship to anyone who is illegally in the country, free stuff for all illegally here, and fiscally overwhelmed by debt and “freebies to all.” Soon, honest voting will be something to be wished for. Hope Trump can bring us some Hope And Change from what our present divider-in-chief has wrought.

  • Robert A Hartman

    So what’s not to understand? Here are some reasons why the Moslem administration is doing this.

    1. Obama is a M0SLEM!
    2. Obama and the DOJ are PRO-MOSLEM!
    3. Obama is ANTI-CHRISTIAN!
    4. Obama is ANTI-AMERICAN!
    5. Obama SUPPORTS RADICAL ISLAMIST TERRORISTS BOTH DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN!
    6. Obama is WEAKENING OUR ARMED FORCES!
    7. Obama wants to make sure veterans DON’T GET GUNS, because they can shoot STRAIGHT and they KNOW WHO THE ENEMY IS – ISIS AND OBAMA AND CONGRESS!
    8. Obama knows veterans fought for the AFGHAN’S and IRAQI’S FREEDOM overseas and WOULDN’T
    HESITATE TO FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY’S FREEDOM! OUR COUNTRY’S FREEDOM IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT! than ANY president or Congress!
    9. Obama is PRO-FOREIGN countries getting nuclear bombs!
    10. Obama wants to ALLOW as many TERRORISTS INTO OUR COUNTRY TO COMMIT JIHAD AND ESTABLISH SHARIA LAW!

    Enter anything you wish to this BRIEF list!

    • Paul Joseph

      Obama is the worst president in history. the last two good Democrat presidents were John F. Kennedy and Harry S Truman.

      • Robert A Hartman

        I agree! But the MAIN problem we still have is how MUCH MORE damage will this MOSLEM do to OUR country? Stay vigilant and refute his anti-American executive orders!

      • gunnygil

        You can remove HST since he is the one that got us involved in the quagmire called Vietnam in 1950 with the ten year military aid treaty with the French

        • cmi

          If not for HST we would ALL be eating “rice-balls” for breakfast!!!!!!!!!!!

          • dhmill

            CMI,
            Japan was already defeated when HST used the nuclear bombs against them He is the only international leader to have used nuclear weapons against non military civilians!,
            As for today’s problems, even voting for Trump is not going to fix anything. The socialists are too deeply imbedded.

      • ggarrett34

        And they had their faults!

  • Sally

    All vets and their family better call 877-NRA-2000 and join the NRA for as little as $25 a year. If you do not fight you will be criminals for owning a gun or using one for self defense.

  • Alan404

    How many of the 260,000+ vets voted for the present occupant of The White House is a question that comes to mind. Additionally, re the VA, which should have told Obama where to get off regarding this baloney, that’s the same mob whose transgressions regarding vets medical care continue to roil the atmosphere, isn’t it?

  • Floyd

    You can pass all the Laws you want, that doesn’t mean the Vets will adhear to them. I, wouldn’t .

  • Jons_On

    The only thing the VA should do is fix veterans not try to take away their rights. This government needs to be pared down a bit. Not with a scalpel but a chain saw. 95% of all agencies are unconstitutional and need to be closed. Those that are are too big.

    • cmi

      Then vote for Trump!!!!!!

  • Dick Ellis

    CLEAN OUT THE TOP ADMINISTRATION OF THE VA IN WASHINGTON! THEY ALL ARE NOTHING BUT ASS LICKERS TO THIS CROOKED FED BOZO CIRCUS!

  • Ben K.

    I’m a vet. I’d like to see someone try to take my weapons away from me. And if I wanted another gun, no one will keep me from buying it.

  • ramrodd

    Look at how the VA has put thousands of people on the ‘prohibited persons’ list
    because they have their benefits checks sent elsewhere.

    Same is about to be true for millions of Social Security recipients if the
    administration has it’s way.

    Using ‘mental health’ is an extremely slippery slope, since there is no objective way
    to define it. In fact it’s never been shown that it’s even possible to be
    ‘mentally healthy’ at all times.

    In NY, after passage of the repressive “SAFE Act”, people have had their guns taken
    simply because they had a prescription for sleeping pills.

    If the government is allowed to say that Constitutional Rights only apply to the
    ‘mentally healthy’, we are all in a lot of trouble.

  • ramrodd

    Mental health is the avenue to gun control..

    American Psychiatric Asso: Half of Americans are mentally ill..
    After crafting by politicians and Media all will be crazy except for them..

    300 million prescriptions for psychiatric drugs were written in 2009 alone..
    Your children on medication for ADHD?
    Single woman with children diagnosed with depression?

    be careful what you ask for

  • ramrodd

    There are over 370 “mental disorders” listed in the latest version of the DSM
    (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.) The list includes
    “Tobacco Addiction Disorder” among other equally mundane and ridiculous
    so-called “mental illnesses.”

    If the DSM is the standard by which Obama wishes to remove our rights to own guns,
    then I’d guess 90% of the American people could probably be classified with a
    mental disorder of one kind or another.

    BEWARE, BEWARE

  • ramrodd

    Mental health as a weapon against the people is communist in origin..

    Deceptive Transformation: The Truth of Soviet Influence in America and Gun Control..

    Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    The idea of using mental health as a weapon against
    the people is communist in origin, and the social sciences, or the studying of
    human behavior has its roots in early twentieth century Russia when Ivan Pavlov
    developed his “classical conditioning” theories. In fact, Pavlov was
    disturbed that Vladimir Lenin would use these conditioning methods against the
    people in order to get them to accept communism. Since that time the social
    sciences have been used as a means of maintaining control over populations and
    getting them to accept their own down fall. This is happening today in the
    United States as our universities and public schools have long ago adopted
    educational techniques based on the social sciences and classical conditioning
    methods.

    (Note: Many websites are now appearing claiming this list of communist goals to be a hoax. If you read them for yourself you will see many have been accomplished and that they bear a striking resemblance to many things currently happening in the U.S. The claims that they are a hoax could be a deliberate misinformation campaign headed by the Information Regulatory Affairs office led by none other than Cass Sunstein. Just looking at the state of our society, it is clear that these goals are not a hoax.)
    While the move for an Article Five Convention seems to be gaining momentum, you should take heed. There is another constitution waiting in the winds and it won’t protect your rights to keep and bear arms.

    Freedomoutpost

  • ramrodd

    WWII Veteran: 90% of Congress are Traitors to Our Country – Freedom Outpost

    Our veterans are under attack. Why, one may ask? I believe that if
    there is a “collapse” scenario someday, the Feds know that Veterans are the most
    trained, most capable, and most likely persons to rise to a leadership position
    in a resistance movement. As war drums beat over in Eastern Europe and the
    Middle East, let’s not lose sight of the ongoing war raging against our veterans
    here at home.

    northwestliberty.com

  • ramrodd

    Wounded Warrior Project refuses Christian schools donation..

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/veteran-organization-refuses-christian-schools-donation/

    Wounded Warrior Project is a fraud making millions off disabled veterans..

    http://freepatriot.org/2013/11/13/wounded-warrior-project-is-a-fraud-making-millions-off-disabled-veterans/

  • ramrodd

    There is a new comment on the post “Grassley Stands Up for Veterans’
    >
    Second Amendment Rights”.
    > http://www.ammoland.com/2016/03/grassley-stands-veterans-second-amendment-rights/
    >
    >
    Author: Jamie Lang
    > Comment:
    > WHAT THE
    HELL!!
    >
    >
    > VA HAS DETERMINED ME TO BE INCOMPETENT, REMOVED
    MY 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS
    > AND MY RIGHT TO CONDUCT MY PERSONAL
    BUSINESS!!
    >
    > Some of you know me, I’m not a conspiracy theorist,
    nor prone to flights
    > of fantasy. I won’t even listen to anyone saying
    911 was perpetrated by
    > the Federal government. But now I am considering
    if the VA or personnel
    > within the VA are conspiring to take Veterans
    rights away.
    > For several years the VA has me as 100% disabled for severe
    COPD and 60%
    > for other physical problems. I’ve been eligible for
    A&A (Aid and
    > Attendance) for a while, but didn’t think I needed
    it as of yet. Aid and
    > Attendance is an additional payment to hire
    someone to help me at home.
    > During my interview with a VA Nurse
    Practitioner, I stated that I need
    > help cooking because I can’t stand
    for very long due to my 2 compression
    > fractures at my L1 and L2
    vertebra. From the same reason I need help
    > getting out of the tub and
    need someone to take me groceries shopping. I
    > also need someone for
    light house work and taking care of my yard which
    > hasn’t been mowed for
    two years.
    > That Nurse Practitioner put on my application that I had
    Defmentia . When
    > I read it I thought it was some medical term and
    didn’t pay much attention
    > to it. The VA says it’s Dementia, and
    declared me incompact to conduct my
    > personal affairs. The NP DID NOT
    ask me any questions to do with cognitive
    > problems. I did tell him I
    have some slight memory problems such as going
    > to a room and forgetting
    why I was there, which happens to everyone but a
    > little more often to
    me and when I first wake up I can’t remember what
    > time I went to bed. I
    told him I thought it was due to the buildup of
    > Carbon Dioxide from the
    COPD. The VA has proposed to appoint a Fiduciary
    > to handle my monies.
    They also invoked the Brady Bill making it a Federal
    > offence to own,
    buy, sell, transfer a gun.
    >
    > I am a US Marine Vietnam Veteran who
    served my Country in a time of war,
    > and this is my thanks. I was not
    drafted I volunteered for the Marine
    > Corps and Volunteered for Vietnam
    as I thought my brothers and sisters
    > needed my help.
    > If anyone
    else would tell me this was done to them I would be skeptical
    > without
    proof. Well I have the proof in the form of the physical exam
    > document
    and determination papers from the Benefits Management Center of
    > the
    VA.
    >
    > WHAT THE HELL!!
    >
    > All that they have done is
    make me Anti-Federal Government and extreme
    > right wing..Rebel. Before
    this I always took up for the VA because they
    > have done good my
    me..until now.

  • Mike O’Mara

    Remember all those people who told you this is a free country? Do you think they were trying to mislead you or are they just stupid. Let’s get rid of all the politicians. Even the 5 or 6 good ones. There is no benifit to having them, only damage and loss. Get rid of them all

  • charlie Hall

    This is to keep people trained in how to use fire arms from possessing them

  • Stan Joy

    How long have they said that the VA has to cleaned up, and what really have they done???? NOTHING!! Another question I have , is when or will we ever have any people in Congress who will have the %ouf45644 fortitude to stand up for our veterans ?????? I am almost of the opinion that almost everyone who has been in Washington for over two terms must NOT be REELECTED !!! The only exception I would make , would be if the ones that have been there longer, can show that they have always tried to do what is right. We are in a lot of trouble folks, and it seems the media is a BIG part of it. More than ever, I am going to vote for TRUMP. God Bless.

  • Mike McCloud

    It’s Outlaw Legislation, ie; not legal, & there exists no provision that they are authorized, under law, to act in such a manner, except for political ends, of which, in itself, is illegal under law. (Hey, ‘they’ wrote the danged thing up! Did they ‘sneak in at nite’ & change some of the lines in there? Didn’t Nixon catch hell for nearly the same thing- & wasn’t he a ‘crook’ irregardless of what he claimed? HMMM?) Our ‘Legislators’ should be jealous that this uppity ‘entity’, actually just a department, is sidelining their jobs of oversight! Where are our Constitutional Lawyers now when we need them? Do ‘we’ always have to go to the Supreme Court to be heard? Last I read it, the Constitution says ‘we’, have the Right to be heard, & it shouldn’t cost us-the citizen- a life’s savings (& breaking us anyways). Ridiculous, & all of this from a bunch of pretenders.

  • Grim Reaper

    The one that needs to be taken out of power by being arrested and impeached is the traitor that frees terrorists, gives our enemies access to our nation via open borders, allows other countries that want to destroy us access to nuclear technology, and gives them tons of money in which they could do serious damage to this nation. I am of course referring to The Muslimscum in the W.H. Osama Bin Obama the worst thing to ever happen to America.

  • jim jones

    Hitler started disarming with the Jews, osama picks our veterans.

  • American Me

    Obama will use any excuse no matter if it is illegal,unconstitutional or just plane wrong to try to take away our 2nd amendment rights.If he succeeds then he will take the rest.We have fought the good fight and we must continue to fight until Obama is gone.This snake will continue his dirty tricks ,so we must remain vigilant and strong for a little while longer.The VA has really become a agent of Obama.Doing his bidding while giving very poor care to Veterans.This too must be corrected. VOTE TRUMP 2016

  • ErnieLane

    If Congress was worth a s**t at all, they would pass a simple bill to prevent the VA from doing this — and the Senate would say this bill couldn’t be filibustered.

  • Carolyn Brack-Jackson

    So wrong on every level!

  • game50

    We have a Gay person in chance of the military …. just because he doesn’t know how to shot straight he figure no one else should too. Another reason is that they know how to use a gun and they will to defend our country…. that’s the real reason that they want to take away their rights to have a gun…. It’s past the time to ARREST THE FRAUD IN OUR W.H. FOR TREASON.

  • SueT

    Does anyone remember when way back when Obama called the press to a,closed door meeting ? He gave them a big sum of money. We all knew then he bought off the press.

  • andrew

    Later on down the line, when the SHTF… I want to see these mendicants rely on a veteran to protect them from the rabid islamic mobs.

  • Don Taylor

    it’s time to rise up and cut the head off the snake.

  • Ethan Velling

    how come veterans are always owning themselves, its like hellllooo, that is what the muslims are TRYING to do, dont help them out!!!!

  • Handcannon72Vet

    PTSD claims it is rumored will put you on the list. The Military is ok with having you carry a weapon & Using it. Once they`re done with you They are trying to force you into “Relinquish your sidearm” after pounding it into your head that that must NEVER Happen. Dianne Feinstein says; “PTSD Is an “Iraq war Phenomenon” Also, That PTSD sufferers should be bared from “owning” a Firearm. PTSD Has been around sense Cain Slew Able, I believe.

    The Obama Admin. Is desperately trying to shove a law thru before November Called The “Dianne Feinstein Law” (Supposedly) And she enjoy`s 24 hr 7 day week Armed Security, AND Has admitted owning a Handgun. This Democratic “Double Standard” is getting older than Dianne Feinstein herself. …………Messing with the Wrong Bunch (I) Say! Feinstein Schummer etc. Are the “Poster children” for Term Limits